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Wednesday, December 10, 2008

Boycott Alabama Website Could Backfire for Big 3 Automakers

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Ford,GM and Chrysler desperately want to sell you a car, no matter where you're from...unless it's "Sweet Home Alabama."

Joe Babiasz, a GM employee for 34 years, luanched the site,boycottalabamanow.com, which includes  "any travel into the state, or the purchase of anything that's produced within the state of Alabama.

You will not go to the state.  You won't vacation there.  You won't do any business there... won't purchase their cars.

Picking on an entire state in the middle of an economical and political negotiation won't do much to help the auto industry's already tainted image. The boycott reminds me of a little kid throwing a temper tantrum when the parents disagree.

Babiasz created the site in response to Senator Richard Shelby's stance against the proposed bailout for the auto industry. Babiasz may not realize it, but this boycott effort could have the reverse effect.

The boycott also comes across as hypocritical, because Babiasz's effort is damaging one state while trying to help another.  Babiasz's defense:

To those hard working people in Alabama, we apologize for the boycott and the loss of income and future employment from this boycott but please understand that it is within your power to elect a representative who has America’s best interest in mind.dreamland bbq

The funny thing is, Alabama is known for attracting foriegn automakers, such as Honda  and Mercedez, which are both non-union plants, and I don't see either of those companies facing bankruptcy.

P.S.- Joe, you need to take a trip to Tuscaloosa, eat some ribs from Dreamland BBQ, and admire the great scenery full of southern belles. "Roll Tide."

*Read our update about this Babiasz vs. Shelby battle.

By Matt O'Hern at 11:58 AM | Comments (135)

(135) Thoughts on Boycott Alabama Website Could Backfire for Big 3 Automakers

www.BoycottTheBailout.com

Comments by Boycott : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Why should we bail out companies that can't run themselves worth a crap. we have years and years of inferior products rolling off their lines and we are supposed to subsadize their wastefull spending and lack of good judgement?

Boycott the big 3 automakers!

Comments by Texas : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 12:48 PM

go gators!

Comments by Jesse C : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 03:52 PM

So let me understand the thinking of todays South.

"God Bless America - But Do Not Buy Its Products"

Just wait until you have nothing but Toyotas running at Taladega.

Comments by Eric : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 04:16 PM

Tell the big 3 to get a loan from the oil companies that have been padding their pockets for years. If it weren't for the big 3, we would be running hydrogen vehicles. It's about time the tables were turned.

Comments by Paul B : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 05:33 PM

what good can you look for out of alabama when they think george wallace was a good man. shelby and sessions are just like him thank you have a good rebel year!!!!!!!!!!!

Comments by edward little : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 07:44 PM

While I am definitely against bailouts, especially for the unconstitutional private banking cartel in control of our currency, I think many of you are missing the bigger picture on the auto industry.

It's been a dying industry for 50 years, and even many or most of the parts aren't made here, only assembled.

The fact is american workers cannot compete with slave labour from China.

While I despise founding father Hamilton, I utterly respect the tariff system he designed which took America from a backwards 5% exporter to exporting over half the world's goods in 50 years.

There is no such thing as "free trade" when it comes to despots and Nazi china. Bhutan has proven that trade in and of itself is detrimental, as it refuses to trade with the outside world, and is one of the few third world countries that is still booming during the recession (as it is unaffected).

Believe it or not, handing away all our jobs to the chinese in exchange for "cheaper cars" is retarded as then no one will ever be able to afford one, as they won't have any jobs.

I say this as an international business man marrying a korean national, who profits quite immenseley from outsourcing. I'm certainly no liberal unionists, but I think unions are an equal and opposite reaction to corporations that are undercut by the lack of proper trade balance.

I.e. as long as china beats it's workers and fails to provide benefits, a tariff is damn well in order.

That's not free trade, that's "rape-america's-resources" trade.

Comments by Jonathan : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Babiasz is a very ignorant person. I plan at least two pleasure trips to Alabama in 2009.

Comments by FDA from Michigan : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Where does Mr Shelby come off blasting the Domestic Automakers for struggling though this recession. I guess he should also support the US government filing chapter 11 on itself given the crappy decisions they have made and the financial mess we are all in. A 10 trillion dollar deficit! Perhaps Mr. Shelby should be fired too!

Comments by Hardworking Joe : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 11:56 PM

I used to frequent Gulf Shores Ala, but after the desipictable display by Senator Shelby, I will be passing on any future trips to Ala.

Your state might be finding many other snow birds with the same opinion.

G

Comments by Eleanore : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 06:46 AM

If you know all the facts, and you are an American, you will support the Big 3. Foreign automakers health and other benefits are covered by their home countries. Where is our pride? The Big 3 make quality cars and I'm pround to drive them. Makes me wonder what stock Mr. Shelby has.

Comments by Concerned American : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 07:18 AM

Mr.Babiasz should take a look around the country and see how manyother folks are not in favor of a bailout for the Big Three automakers It appears that they are
not capable of running a profitable
company.The oil companies started
this back in the seventies with
they created the so called oil
shortage

Comments by Lloyd Logan : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:47 AM

I am a life long resident of Michigan, and own a vacation home in Alabama. Babiasz and his like are the reason that I hate this state of Michigan and can't wait to move to sweet home Alabama. Richard Shelby is a hero and speaks of the truths that the Michigan socialist Debbie Stabenaw and Carl Levin have been denying for years. They own the unions for throwing millions of dollars into the last elections and this is the payoff. Kind of like dirty Chicago politics.

Comments by Pam : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 09:42 AM

Poor Joe,
GM has had many years to get their act together and make good reliable automobiles.
Tuscaloosa, Alabama is a great city, with a fantastic quality of life for all.
Joe, can I buy you a plane ticket.

Comments by Robert Ratliff : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM

3.5 million jobs are tied to the Big 3. Let them go under, go ahead. If you are not from Michigan, you don't think the bankruptcy of these companies will affect you. Surprise, it will. Shelby is a hypocrite and the ignorance that is running rampant is disgusting. I clearly recall him voting for the now $1 Trillion bailout of the banking industries, no strings attached, no public flogging. $350 billion have already been paid out so that liquidity and credit would find its way back to the market. So why hasn't it? Maybe because there is no oversight on the banking industry? If you don't take time to research your answers, then don't post. Who cares if Alabama is a nice place or not? If no one has a job, products won't be purchased anyway, including your (Alabama's) support of the foreign automakers. Why is Shelby against the big 3? Because he's putting preference over principle. The demise of the domestics means money (a stewardship?) in Shelby's pocket. Wake up people. Do your own research and stop listening to the crap that is fed to you.

Comments by steve : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Boycotts can be extremely effective weapons. One was recently used in Pennsylvania to change its laws on puppy mills. Yes, some innocent people suffer but the vast majority understand the reason and will let their elected representatives know that they will not stand for a self-centered policy of benefiting foreign automakers with plants in the south at the expense of millions of jobs and the loss of America's automakers.

Comments by mrsmax : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM

the clueless comments by people on this site that state the big three have been making inferiors products that people dont want to buy are unresearched idiocrisies being sais the facts are that gm has the most fuel efficient vehicle line up there is so what if they built a lot of gas guzzling vehicles PEOPLE OBIOUSLY WANTED THEM BECAUSE THEY SOLD!!! I love mine. The jap companies have a lot of unefficient vehicles also so do your research before you open your mouth

Comments by Jay : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM

For those of you defending the foreign automakers,you should try to understand they are still very young and have no pensions to pay. Also when they build a new plant they recieve huge tax breaks from our goverment, and most of the funding to build comes from theirs. Sort of a win win situation for them, unlike ours who have to everything on their own.If you think back when World War II started who was called on to supply the manufacturing base for our defense? The big 3 and largely from the state of Michigan. Who will they turn to today? Honda or Toyota? So Senator Shelby needs to loose his tunnel vision and look at the big picture.

Comments by GIMICH : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM

GET UNIONS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE ITS THAT SIMPLE..

Comments by christy : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

The big 3 "bail out" is not a blank check like the banking industry received, but a loan, that is expected to be paid back. One of the major problems the big 3 has right now is that people aren't buying cars because they can't get credit, due to the excessive mis-management in the banking industry.

Kudo's to the efforts of several of Michigan's credit unions who have pledged as much as 10 billion dollars to be made available to their members who want to buy cars from GM.

This is a great idea. Unlike our greedy, poorly run large banking institutions who are using the welfare handout that the government gave them to pay for golf outings, bonuses and acquisitions of their competition instead of freeing up credit facilities for American consumers.

Comments by Jeff : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 01:11 PM

Obviously Alabama has done it again! I think some of our citizens need to go back and take economics 101. I am from Alabama and I am with Joe all the way! Ben Stein even said if we do not help the automakers we will be in trouble. But as I can see the only thing that really matters in this state is football! Shelby will regret it voting against the automakers when thousands go unemployed in the aftermath!

Comments by Karen Glenday : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 01:47 PM

Let me get this straight buy American made but don't buy products made in a state that is in America and I'm not taking about the cars. O yea, doesn't the big 3 also have plants outside of the US?I doubt that the 1997 Ford that I am driving was made in America. We had a Ford back in the 70's that was made in Canada.I'm sure that Babiasz is a union member.Union members demand a lot per hour which has to be passed on to the consumer.This hurts our economy. Let's boycott union made products. I have always wondered why someone who makes as much as a union member has to demand more per hour. Why can't they live off of $40 per hour plus benefits? I say they are living beyond their means. Pay with cash instead of credit.

Comments by Josie : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 02:01 PM

What products are we going to produce in this country if the US auto industry goes away? There is no more steel, furniture, textile, computer chips that are made here anymore. Are we supposed to import everything? We will not have employment to buy anything. Toyota may build a few more cars here if GM is gone, but no one will have a job to buy them.I am tired of hearing about "inferior products from Detroit". They have more cars that get over 30 mpg than any manufacture. By the way nice job on the TUNDRA, Toyota. What a piece of junk. You people that bash the big 3 make me sick.

Comments by jeff : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 02:21 PM

$40. hr? where is that from? I understand the HR wages at the transplants are equal to the big three. (I am not in the car industry). If it wasn't for the UNION wages, your wage would be significantly less regardless of what you do for a living. Shelby and his cronies will be happy when everyone make $7.50 an hour.

Comments by jeff : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 02:26 PM

No, No, No, these senators that are NOT supporting the LOAN (excuse my shouting) for the auto makers have made it obvious that they know about transferring wealth and nothing about creating wealth. In addition, were they in Washington when the Banking Regulation(s) were reduced that led too this mess and did they vote for them? If they were and if they did they are part of the problem and I think they protest too much… Thoughts to ponder! Do not Boycott Alabama but talk to our working friends in Alabama and all the other states, where these senators live, and have them start a recall vote? Or we can let the senators win and we can start using the “D” word as in depression. But it’s OK because we will know who to blame…Them.
How many people work in America? If it is around 100 million workers and it was said on one of the news channels that the auto industry is 10 percent of the GDP. So how do they get the number of 2 million workers that will be affected if the big three and all of their suppliers go down? Just simple math indicates about 10 million workers…Wow.
Today we have about 500,000 workers with out jobs and that is about 6 percent unemployment, if we use 2 million workers as the number, doesn’t that work out to be 24% additional unemployed workers which take us to 30%...Wow. As I understand in the Great Depression the unemployment was 25%.
I have worked and saved only to see half of my IRA’s and 401K’s go away… To whom can I write and thank? Oh! I think it’s our congress. What do you think?

Comments by Lynn : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 02:43 PM

If Shelby's arguments against the Big 3 loans were only factual, I would think the boycott is a foolish idea. Unfortunately, the statements he has made just are not. I;m curious if he and anyone who has supported the Bush economic policies would be willing to take a salary of $1 a year and present a detailed plan for how they will fix the worst economy since the great depression. It's the terrible economy that has caused not only the big three, but millions of Americans all over the country to have their savings and jobs in jeopardy. The same hypocrit politicians who said "less regulation" is good for the economy are now demanding all this accountability and regulation as a condition to justify a bridge loan... a loan that wouldn't even have been necessary if they had not driven the U.S economy into the dirt to begin with. I love the South, half my family lives there, and I like spending vacations and money there. I just think it's wrong when a politician like Shelby spews lies in order to play political power games...especially when it will hurt millions of hard working families.

Comments by JW : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 03:16 PM

If Mr Shelby knew what he was talking about he could be dangerous. How did Alabama elect a person that can tell so many lies and mis truths
oh yeah he's a politician
I'm so tired of partisian politics............

Comments by justthe facts222 : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 03:23 PM

Wait, is this the same Richard Shelby who held hands with Saddam Hussein? http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bgoodsel/post911/shelbysaddamsm.jpg

No, this must be the other Richard Shelby that sought and received federal funds to build and support factories for foreign automakers. I guess if handouts are going for Alabama factories, Shelby is for it, but loaning money to save the jobs of 3+ million people is a bad idea.

Maybe this is the Richard Shelby that leaked classified information just minutes after learning about it. Or its the Richard Shelby that got elected a Democrat and then switched to the Republican party. I know, it is the Richard Shelby that chaired the banking committee and opposed reform legislation for the Title industry while earning in excess of $100K from his own Title company.

Shelby has the nerve to criticize and lambaste the Big 3 while perpetrating myths and lies. I applied and tested for a job at GM earlier this year. The pay? Not the $72 per hour that supposedly is being paid, but $14 per hour. Add in the hour commute each way, and (at that time) $4 gas, and I could not afford to take the job.

Shelby and others need to realize that if 3 million people lose their jobs, they will stop buying goods and services, and that will lead to other non-automotive industry layoffs. The federal government predicts that letting GM and Chrysler go belly up will cost the government over $60 billion. Once paid back, the loans will actually make money for the government.

It angers me that one can support the giveaway of hundreds of billions of dollars for banking and then block the loan of just a fraction of that amount which would save millions of jobs. I just don't get it.

Comments by Gary Grossman : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 04:13 PM

If the auto industry is allowed to fail, all the small shops that supply them with parts will fail. All the mom and pop restaurants and stores that have been built around the plants to serve the workers will fail. All the school systems in the cities with plants in them will no longer have tax bases, they will fail and the teachers will join the ranks of the unemployed. It is so much larger than the actual auto plants. I live in a city of plant closings and have watched all the abouve happen. YOu do not want it to happen across thee country. It will be worse than the Depression of the thirties.

Comments by grandmere : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 05:13 PM

Mr. Shelby would love to see the domestic auto companys fail that way his foregin car state would prosper even further. We can also that our goverment for putting us in this situation they seem to be for every other country but our own. Our goverment is out of contorl and the people who are the true goverment need to take it back.

Comments by sal ferra : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 05:53 PM

The Big 3 is America. End of Story. Shelby is for himself and his state only. Just another political crook looking to get his palm greased with bribes for voting to pass the loan. Idiots like him are why this country is on the brink of collapse.

Comments by Eric : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 06:06 PM

I think the big 3 automakers should down size there business in the states whos giving them a hard time and move there business back to michigan and the states that are trying to help them and let the states that are giving them a hard time increase there unemployment lines and let them try to feed there family with unemployment benifits thats means pull out the all the dealerships and parts suppliers and any mechining for the automotive industry and then maybe they appreciate the automotive industry when its gone

Comments by jerry smith : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 06:19 PM

I think the big 3 automakers should down size there business in the states who’s giving them a hard time and move there business back to Michigan and the states that are trying to help them and let the states that are giving them a hard time increase there unemployment lines and let them try to feed there family with unemployment benefits that’s means pull out the all the dealerships and parts suppliers and any machining for the automotive industry and then maybe they appreciate the automotive industry when its gone. I also think that its terrible that foreign countries can support there automotive industry but the united states cant it seems like the republicans are trying to help foreign powers to take over are country. I WAS BORN IN ALABAMA AND IM A SHAMED OF MY HOME STATE BECAUSE OF ARE SENTORS!!

Comments by jaclyn trombley : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 06:41 PM

Ok sonny boy. How about Alabama stop buying ANYTHING made in Detroit? I drive a Suburban, F-250 and a Diesel VW Bug. I am very happy with the Suburban, semi-happy with the 2004 F-250. The Diesel VW Bug is a perfect car....just small. If I were you I wouldn't get too excited about picking on Shelby and Alabama. Detroit is already in trouble and you are making it worse. Did YOU fly in cooperate jets, get 20 million dollars a year pay? Man, you are beating a dead horse. The three auto makers seen some easy money and jumped on the band wagon. If I spend more than my business makes....would you want YOUR taxes to bail me out? Turn your webpage off and stop looking and acting like a total fool. John

Comments by John Davis : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 07:30 PM

Shelby, what a joke! He's never worked an honest day in his life.
So, if he's not for bailouts maybe the next time his sorry state has a hurricane, we should let them sink.
We also need to tell Louisiana & Nevada to get bent.
If they don't bail out the Big 3, we should all start learning Japanese,drive our toyota's watch our Sony's , & pray real hard that we never need any tanks for war.

Comments by tekla : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:01 PM

What makes a guy popping door panels on better then me down here in Alabama working two jobs to take care of my own family, not posting sign that read "please support what ever local union" , these people by-the-way, didn't give a rats ass about me during desert storm. But then again i didn't go begging off others to help me out of a jab that i got myself into either. So, here's my point. Stop whining, the UAW is nothing but a bunch of over paid babies , who obviously can't manage pocket change, and that is likely true for the upper management of the big 3, so why give them a hand-out? I think it is disgusting that the auto-industry is using the current economic conditions to try and strong arm the rest of us tax-payers to give them hand-outs. Fix the problem, cut your spending,(maybe even take a pay cut) and i have no trouble backing a bail-out.But keep whining and telling me that if we don't, then we are all going to be in a heap off trouble, and i can't support it. Oh, and in case you UAW people ain't noticed .... the rest of the nation is already in a heap of shit!, Join the club, .... disgusting!!!

Comments by L Summers : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:03 PM

He is just an un-patriotic idiot,and you guys don't have any business apoligizing for joe. Most of us who are true patriots agree with him whole=heartedly!!!!!!!!

Comments by MR. LYLE of Roseville : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:08 PM

Joe Babiasz,
I think that Senator Shelby is the only person that is on the right side for once, The People! I Do NOT see any Bailout offered to me or anyone else !! To me it is Real Obvious that you have a lot of money invested in the automakers,
Who are you KIDDING !!! SO here is MY opinion about you! if you DO NOT like what we Stand for then keep your Happy Rich A** where you are and OUT of Alabama Your are just throwing a temper tantrum to get attention!!
Proud to be from Mobile, Alabama

Comments by Julia : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:10 PM

To not support the big 3 bailout is anti-american. Why is everyone so eager to see these american landmarks fall apart? Thanks for helpin out Japan.

Comments by Aaron : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:14 PM

I HOPE SHELBY GETS HIS WAY AND STOPS THE AUTO BAILOUT. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR GOVERNMENT BACKED PENSIONS , FOOD STAMPS, UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS,MEDICAL COVERAGE AND SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST HOW FAR A GREAT REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION CAN DESTROY A WORLD POWER AND TURN IT INTO A THIRD WORLD STATE LIKE ALABAMA!

Comments by bill k : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:29 PM

Some people won’t support American companies no matter what. Like Senator Shelby. They would rather tell lies to get people to support foreign countries like Japan.

Does anybody remember September 11, 2001? General Motors donated materials, plants and power. The employees donated their labor. All this was to deliver free new cars and trucks to the City of New York. Where was Toyota and Honda?

Japan has been very aggressive towards our country and industry since WWII, beginning with killing 2403 Americans (servicemen and civilians) at Pearl Harbor, and another 106,207 in the Pacific Theatre. (1) My father and three of his brothers were there when the Japanese bombed and then dove their planes into ships. Men have died for our freedoms including to buy from the very country they fought.

Then, as shown on “Nightline” in the mid 80’s, business owners were telling Congress how Japan was subsidizing Japanese companies to run American companies out of business. When has Japan not be at some kind of war with the United States of America?

What is the trade debt to Japan, China, Taiwan, Korea and so on? Our children and grandchildren will be paying for this. If you can’t support and love America, please go where you can be happy and take Mr. Shelby with you.

Join with me. SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS, PAST AND PRESENT.

(1) From Wikipedia.org/wiki/pacific.war

Comments by Dennis B : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:45 PM

Senator Shelby

Senator Shelby isn’t in touch with working class people. He should hang the flag of the rising sun in his office. He is in the pockets of Japanese and foreign car makers. It would be in his interest to let the big 3 go under. He doesn’t care if 3 million people lose their jobs. Lets not forget that his goal is to break the unions and that’s what this is all about. So even if you’re not in the U.A.W. but you belong to any service union Look OUT! Bush just tried to break the ATF service union.

So if Shelby isn’t the skillet calling the kettle black. These so-called Senators and Congressman have voted themselves the largest pay raise. It would be nice if all Americans could vote themselves a pay raise. They have the best health care in the country. They retire with full pay even if they are convicted of wrong doings. Their pay is not based on what they do for US. They just need to show up and vote once in a while. Lets not forget all the lobby money they get. That helped to send our jobs overseas for their Global World Economy.

How dare they point fingers at others for being like them? They fly on private jets and drive foreign cars. They get paid from us the taxpayers and at what cost? Only lip service! My father would say when you points your finger at someone look how many are pointing at yourself.

Comments by RadMan : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:47 PM

Alabama, this is an attempt to kill the union and research shows that southern non-union workers make 30 plus dollars per hour after bonuses. Do you think that after the UAW is destroyed and there is no cooperative bargaining to drive up wages, that the non-union workers will continue to see high wages. Ya'll gave away hundreds of millions of dollars to bring these companies to Alabama. I could care less about a boycott, but, understand this is one working guy, who is seeing a region of the country siding w/ foreign companies and trying to take his livlihood. He is understandably upset.
What I can not understand is why Southerners pretend that they are so patriotic. They support foreign companies over American companies, they once left this country and then they lecture to people from New York and the like, that they are the true patriots..explain this to me? The region that was forced to end slavery, end segregation, now stands firm w/ the companies of other nations.. the Senator from Berlin Mr. richard Shelby has said more treasonous and anti-american remarks in the past month than the Reverand Jerimiah Wright ever could. How is that last in education treating you guys? Do you hate unions so much because of the ridiculous beating that my country gave you in the 1800's, then we occupied you guys for a generation.

Comments by Chris : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:52 PM

Southern grace and Southern hospitality is dead. This is a message to the great people of the beautiful state of Alabama. Shelby has tarnished your image. He has managed to make you all look bad. Divide and conquer, and eliminate the middle class. He has started a war between two states. We are good people in Michigan, and most of us are first, second, and third generation hillbillies, and up to now were proud of it. Remember, back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, thousands of southerners migrated north for employment in the automotive industry. Many have retired and moved back home to once again support their state. I for one, will support the boycott of Alabama. Shelby has enraged the people of Michigan, and the anger will grow. Michigan has more shoreline than any other state. What does it border? Fresh water. Not salt water. As I recall, last summer the south was drying up. It was mentioned that a pipeline could be built to carry fresh water from our Great Lakes to replenish the drought ridden south. That will not happen. We will guard our water with our lives. Let me repeat: the war has started. Don't water your lawns this summer. Thanks, Shelby.

Comments by Go Blue : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 09:01 PM

See ya, Alabama. You're boycotted until you throw that bum out of office. What a disgrace. Give away the store to get the germans and japanese in there, and then try to run millions of Americans out of their jobs. 100 years in business in America and GM needs a hand-up 1 time, and this is how Shelby reacts? What a jerk.

Comments by Mike from Michigan : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 09:21 PM

I forgot to mention, Tennessee is also part of the boycott. And as I recall, Tennessee was in serious trouble with short water supply.

Comments by Go Blue : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 09:35 PM

For the record- Shelby was NOT a proponent of the $700-billion bailout of Wall Street.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/12/05/understanding_but_no_consensus_on_auto_bailout/

Comments by matt : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Hey Joe, Please boycott GA also. I do not want to see anymore MI license plates on I85 or I75. Thanks. Dick

Comments by DICK : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 10:24 PM

As of June 30, 2008, General Motors net worth was negative $59.939 billion.

Comments by Don : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM

How much money has the big 3 given to the 911 and Katrina funds? MILLIONS! how about your wonderful transplants? ZERO, a couple did write public sympathy statements. This after Honda posted record profits in Aug 01. The big 3 have donated millions over the years to help out fellow Americans, and this is how they are looked at in the south? What is wrong with you people? If you need to work a second job after you finish bolting together that Hyndai, you need a union.







Comments by jeffm : Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Thanks Mr Shelby for standing up for what the American people want.The Auto industry is a privately owned company and as such should take care of itself or get out of buissness I will suport Mr Shelby and the great state of Alabama as long as they keep electing senators with a backbone. God Bless All of America !!!!

Comments by Mr D : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Lets correct a few things here. Alabama didn't attract Foreign Automakers to locate there..They Paid them to locate there. They gave them the land, paid for worker training, gave them tax free status for 25-50 years. What foreign automaker wouldn't leave their highly taxed country to locate in Alabama under those conditions. Get real pal...

Comments by Hugh G Rectione : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 12:27 AM

This is pretty simple here. If they are bailed out then what. They are union and obviously if they keep doing the same thing they will get the same results. Their people are paid two times what other people make for doing the same job. Waaa. They think they have a right to be bailed out because the banks were bailed out. Well, what happens when you run overbudget at the house. No one bails us out we have to cut back. They should have cut back a long time a go. The higher you climb the harder you fall....ouch

Comments by billie jean : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 01:48 AM

I'm reading some very nasty comments. Everyone is at each others throats. Some have even declared war and ready to cut off water supplies. All that I can think about is how the larger plan of September the 11th has taken hold of this country. We are falling apart and now hating one another. Who's winning?

Comments by Bella : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 03:53 AM

Shelby is wrong. But how could we expect any different. He has spent his life in DC, on Easy Street like so many others.

We will pay for his mistake. (Take a look at the stock market tomorrow afternoon...that will be only the start of payment.)

Comments by Chuck : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 04:30 AM

Yep keep supporting those foriegn auotmakers! You will all be crying years from now when your job market down there dwindels because it will! Those jap companies do not care about any of you! Support American companies so jobs can be saved, if not, all of this has a trickle affect and yes it will even hit good ol'Alabama! Your not immune to this because you have crap cheap cars your building down there.....

Comments by Spencer : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 07:00 AM

Sen Shelby's hatchet job is not just on the Big 3 but a direct attack on my State of Michigan. Two can play this game.

Comments by Dick McKnight : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 07:30 AM

Alabama. 4 foreign auto plants has nothing to do with their Senator blocking this bailout.
I do not favor a bailout, but Alabama Senator should just be honest and admit he has alterior motives.

Comments by scott : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 08:00 AM

HORRAY FOR THE U A W

AFTER LISTING TO THE TODAY SHOW THIS MORNING, 12-12-08,
I AM TOTALLY DISGUSTED AND DISAPPOINTED WITH THE UNIONS
IN THIS COUNTRY REFUSING TO TAKE A CUT TO HELP KEEP THIS
COUNTRY GOING!! WITH THE MAJORITY OF US TRYING TO DO WHAT WE
CAN TO HELP, THE UNION JUST LOOKS OUT FOR THEMSELVES WITH NO
CARE OR CONCERNS FOR THERE FELLOW HUMANS, WHICH CONFIRMS

WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A
BUNCH OF GREEDY, SELF CENTERED SO CALLED HUMANS.
SORRY TO SAY I WAS RAISED WITH THE CONCEPT A FAIR DAYS WORK
FOR A FAIR WAGE, NOT GET WHAT I CAN FOR DOING AS LITTLE AS
POSSIBLE, $71.00 PER HOUR!!!!!!! LET’S GET REAL!!!!!!!!

THEY ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO TAKE CUTS TO THE POVERTY LEVEL, ROLL BACK TO $49.00 PER HOUR, IN LINE WITH THE COMPETITION. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO WORK FOR THESE WAGES, AND I MEAN WORK, NOT DO AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.

A JANITOR PUSHING A BROOM MAKES $147,680.00, @ $71.00
ROLL BACK TO $49.00, $101,920.00, IF HE CAN’T LIVE ON THAT SHAME ON HIM, DO THE MATH.

SO I SAY HORRAY FOR THE UNION, I AM SURE THEY WILL GO DOWN IN
HISTORY AS BEING THE ONLY LABOR FORCE TO BRING A COUNTRY TO
THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY.

Comments by Kent, Michigan : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 09:23 AM

IM AM TIRED OF HEARING THE 71.00 AN HOUR CRAP....THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE WE MAKE LESS THAN 30.00 AN HOR OVERALL..WHEN ARE U GOING TO FIND THE FACTS...PEHAPS KENT FROM MICHIGAN FORGOT AFTER 9/11 ALL THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY THE DETROIT 3..WHAT DID THE JAPANESE AUTOMAKERS GIVE NADA!!!!!!!I SUGGEST TO KENTY FROM MICHIGANM IF WE LOSE OUR JOBS YOU WILL BE AFFECTED..AND IF YOU NEVER HAVE WORKED FOR THE AMERICAN AUTO COMPANIES I SUGGEST U SHUT THE HECK UP!!!I WILL BOYCOTT ALABAMA LORD KNOWS ITS A BACKWARD STATE ANYWAY..I WOULD ALSO ADD TENN TO THE BOYCOTT....AND IM SURE SENS SHEBLY CORKER ET AL..HAVE ALL GOTTEN THE PALMS GREASED BY THE TRANSPLANTS! AND KENT THE UNIONS DIDNT BRING DOWN AMERICA GREED OF CORPORATE AMERICA I.E BIG OIL AND BANKING BROUGHT DOWN AMERICA!!WITH THE HELPO OF THE JERK IN THE WHITEHOUSE

Comments by John : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 10:07 AM

i own a hitch shop in a suburb south of detroit, among my custumers are many auto related folks both union and not. They for the most part are decent hard-working americans just like anybody else trying to get through this economic disaster brought to us by Wall Street.

This issue has more than one face as this website has brought to light. We here in Detroit have been facing many challenges long before this srarted. We are competing against the japanese auto industry which imports about half of all the foreign labeled cars into this country. the trade balance is slanted about $300 to $400 billion hardworking dollars every year! The japanese have fully subsidized health care to the tune of about $1,500.00 per vehicle. the japanese have up until recently enjoyed another $1,500.00 per vehicle advantage due to the the value of the japanese currency against the dollar. the japanese keep their yen low by having a zero percent
discount rate set by the government of japan. To put it in everyday terms the japanese pay or overpay for everything from imported wheat to oil. While this has been hard, detroit has done a pretty good job competing until the bank fiasco which has made it almost impossible to borrow money to buy a car. Look at the facts before you judge us even Toyota and Honda lost over 30% of sales last month!

I am not ready to boycott my fellow americans in Alabama, some of whom have served and suffered for our national interests for the actions of one self-serving senator
who has put political payback ahead of the interest of the united states of america. United we stand, divided we fall

Comments by jerryc : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Read our update to this Shelby vs. Babiasz rivalry at

http://www.marketingshift.com/2008/12/auto-bailout-failure-alabama-michigan.cfm

Comments by Matt : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM

I don't hear Shelby and his cronies offering to work for $10. an hour. Or better yet $1. per year while the country is in trouble. I don't care who you work for in the auto industry...It is hard work, and the workers are exposed to toxic fumes, and the like. This is not a bail out-free money. This is a bridge loan. Loans are paid back. Toyota workers in Tennessee are making more per hour than their union counterparts. The banks that have been bailed out are sitting on the cash the government gave them. I agree the union has a bad name. But these bridge loans will keep the average worker employed. If the big three go under, that will increase unemployment by 10% or more than it already is. That will be disasterous to our great country.

Comments by susan : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM

This is a lot of bull. Shelby is listening to HIS constituents. We are tired of bailing businesses out. Who will bail you or me out if needed? Who flew in PRIVATE JETs to ask for money? Who saw people struggling to afford gasoline, but still did not make any major changes to accomodate? This is some Americans saying - ENOUGH! It is NOT an attack on the good people of Michigan. Many people who live in Alabama survive on less than $6 per hour -- a family of four! So please, if you have a problem - don't blame Alabama -- do something to force the Big 3 to make changes and BE ACCOUNTABLE! Its not the rest of the world that owes you anything -- the company you work for does! Lets place blame where it is due!

Comments by Ronda Tidwell : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Can you include Florida in your boycott as well? We have enough transplants as it is.

Comments by Chuck : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 12:56 PM

I now deeply regret donating to the Katrina relief in 2005. I now pray that another Cat 5 storm slams the Gulf Coast so that Alabama gets what it deserves.

Comments by a bad man : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 01:01 PM

alabama sucks and so does there money grubben senator a big f you from michigan you toyata bought scum bag

Comments by ryan tracy : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 01:13 PM

I am torn. On one hand I dislike the idea of Unions saying these auto workers are worth $75 an hour. On the other hand 10% unemployment in a city the size of detroit is a disaster.

Get rid of the unions. Save your nickels. Operate in a way the best serves everyone involved. If those concessions are made I am fine with some sort of fiscal aid.

That being said during WW1 and WW2 these companies bailed America out of a pretty terrible situation in helping move us out of wars, and the great depression. At some point doesn't America return the favor?

Comments by Ben Burnett : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 02:55 PM

Thenk you boycottalabamanow.com =D Now I will NEVER buy an GM, Ford, or Chrysler!

I live in Alabama thank you very much and this idiocy just makes makes me boil.

You can't judge a whole damn state on its Sentaor. Many people down here love their American made cars, that is about all my family used to buy ... well not anymore.

We have to have jobs too, and if foreign companies are the only ones that want to come to come to our state then we are damn well pleased to have them.

If the Big 3 won't make the UAW back down and loosen their strangle hold then they deserve to go under.

Comments by MCR : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 03:51 PM

We do not make $70 some dollars per hour. I am looking at my check right now, I make $28.11 per hour. Less than many non-union auto workers. I am extending my boycott to include anything south of Ohio. No more vacations to The Great Smokey Mountains, Dollywood, Myrtle Beach, Cherokee, Six Flags, Lake Cumberland, Gulf Shores, Hilton Head, and so on. The war is raging, and gaining momentum by the second. Shelby and the other senators have started this war and it is now irreversible. I have supported Republicans in the past, but that will also end. I will never vote Republican again. Ever. I would also like to reiterate this: THE SOUTH WILL NOT GET A THIMBLE OF WATER FROM OUR GREAT LAKES. We will make sure of that. Also, I am pushing Ford, GM, and Chrysler to pull out of Nascar completely.

Comments by Go Blue : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 04:15 PM

For the record:This legislation had opposition from both parties.
Three Democrats sided with 31 Republicans in opposition,including SENATE MAJORITY LEADER Democrat Harry Reid also voted "no" for procedural reasons.

Also, in a Pew research poll, just 39 percent of those surveyed said it would be right to spend billions in loans to keep GM, Ford and Chrysler in business.
Just 45 percent of Democrats and 31 percent of Republicans supported the idea.

Comments by matt : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 04:50 PM

Why is there a University of Alabama when most of the state is illiterate?

Comments by a bad man : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 04:59 PM

The $70/hour myth has been debunked countless times but keeps getting repeated. That number is a measure of total labor costs, not wages, and it's a dubious one at that. You get it by adding up the total amount automakers pay for labor (including wages, health care for current and retired workers, and pension for retired workers) then dividing it by the total number of hours worked, which obviously includes *current workers only.* See the problem?

If you want to see how your paycheck compares to an autoworker's (or how autoworkers' compare to each other), here's the Associated Press:

"Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour."

Comments by seriously stop it : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 05:13 PM

Mr. Shelby and his political idiots in the Senate should get their heads out of their asses. It is not UAW or the Big 3 that caused this, it was the Banks and Wall Street. Yet, they just got the cash, no questions asked, now AIG is giving MILLIONS in bonus out to execs. Why aren't you questioning that Mr. Shelby? Have the bank start giving the money they got out and folks WILL buy again! WAKE UP!

Comments by Mad as Hell : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 05:56 PM

F*%# You hillbilly motherfu#!!!! The day will come when the Japanese have to pay pensions, healthcare of their retirees, and then you will see. Go marry you cousins and make make japanese cars, the same country that bombed up less than 70 years ago.

Comments by Tim Tebow : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 06:51 PM

Senator Shelby is an @$$. For him to state that the big 3 have no technology shows his ignorance. Take a look at Motor Trend Car of the Year - Cadillac CTS. How bout North America's International Auto
Show Car and Truck of the year (Chevy Malibu and Silverado). What about the Corvette Z06 - a 200MPH super car at a fraction of the price of any competitor. Oh and GM sells more vehicles than any OEM INCLUDING Toyota. In fact, GM sells more cars than Toyota in EVERY country EXCEPT Japan. Why is that? I'll tell you - It's because the Asian population is dedicated to their country unlike all the STUPID Americans who buy foreign vehicles. If you want to drive a foreign car, why don't you move to that country. And after 9/11 - the big 3 donated 10 Million Each + matching employee contributions - guess what Toyota and Honda donated? You guessed it - $0.00. If that doesn't show what the other countries think of the USA, nothing will. Buy a GM, Ford or Chrysler product and help the American economy. Oh and one more thing, Senator Shelby, your an @$$!

Comments by Joe Smith : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 09:31 PM

Hey Hillbillies...You couldn't get a car plant in your state without bribery. Thyssen Steel even demanded special exemptions from any future environmental regulations that other automakers would have to abide by. They pay your workers less because they know what they are worth. Even after "trainining" you can't get your little kit cars assembled right. You can't even DESIGN them. You need foreigners to do it "fer ya"

Look at all the problems we still have because you were too lazy to pick your own cotton!

Comments by Yragi : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Shelby is a hyprocrite and a trader to this country. He can take his dyed hair and go pack sand. This moron thinks the Big 3 should go away, yet, when the suppliers go out of business, his precious foreign auto, which he used OUR taxpayer dollars to subsidized in hicksville, will be screwed. I woould like to knock out the moron who runs ths site also, another dumbass.

Comments by Mike : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Also, when a hurricane nails Alabama someday, I will not donate one penny, or to Louisiana, where Vitter, who loves whores, also was against the bailout. If people get pissed, go blame you dumbass senator. Go Utes to beat Alabama, and also, Saban will leave soon, the Larry Brown of football.

Comments by Mike : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Why do the Big 3 need the money so bad? they sold MORE cars than all the 'foreign' competitors .. so then why is Mitsubishi, Toyota, or any of the others not asking for a Bail out? What difference is there between them and American made vehicles? Oh wait ... the UAW!

I hate to inform you guys but America is supposed to be a FREE MARKET, meaning some businesses eventually fail and die and are replaced by another stronger candidate. That is the way it's supposed to work. Also PS by the way, bankruptcy doesn't always completely ruin a business forever, look at the airlines. I've flown 4 times in the past month to Baltimore and back ... they seem fine to me and doing good business after bankruptcy.

Comments by MCR : Friday, December 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Bear Bryant was a homo....

backwards illiterate hilljacks

Comments by hunting : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 06:33 AM

For starters there is a BIG difference between FREE and FAIR Market. It's tough to compete when other countries pay their employees a chicken a day. In addition, the US made vehicles get taxed so heavily when exported to other countries, they just can’t be competitive. The US should do the same to the German and rice burning vehicles sold here! In regards to bankruptcy, there is a HUGE difference between flying and purchasing a $30,000 vehicle. Do you require service on your plane ticket 5 years down the road? NO! Think you ignorant (lack of knowledge) dumbass!

Comments by Joe : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 06:56 AM

The war rages on. Gaining momentum by the second. Corkle, Shelby, and all of the other communist Senators have tarnished your southern image and started a war. Remember, divide and conquer and eliminate the middle class. Pray for rain this summer, and do not water your lawns. We in Michigan are keeping our fresh water to ourselves, we will guard that with our lives. No pipeline. Boycott any state south of Ohio. Also, the push is on to get Ford Chrysler, and GM to pull out of Nascar completely.

Comments by Go Blue : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 07:49 AM

you michigan union jerks need to come to the real world, its a honest days work for a honest days pay. not what you jerks are making with your wage package.all the perks you are getting help bring down the big three (its called (GREED) you jerks live the good life with over paid wages, retirement, and health insurance, and think you are worth it. you make a product that no one wants, and will not buy, and act like a cry baby when you can not get all your little perks you (THINK) you are worth. to me you are not worth a hot strawberry drink. I would not buy one of your mgg. products if you union jerks paid me a 100 dollars a day to drive it. you and your union , plus the over paid ceos brought this upon your selves. no one feel sorry for you, so get over it grow up you cry babies. try working for the money someone could pay if you had anything to offer but siting on your butt , and making 75.00 an hr, plus the perks. oh by the way please,please,please stay up north and do not i repeat please do not come to our great state of alabama. I have to see you ugly looking people every yr.(you are called snowbirds) coming down here getting in the way taking up space. we do not want you or any of your money.. PLEASE STAY WHERE YOU ARE FROM...WE DO NOT WANT YOU DOWN HERE......now i will go out , and purchase me a real auto a toyota not what you union auto workers make....

Comments by stan owens : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 09:00 AM

Yea, go and buy that Toyota you stupid toothless redneck. You probably did not know that GM sells more cars than Toyota in EVERY country EXCEPT Japan. Why is that? I'll tell you - It's because 1) GM builds better vehicles than Toyota and 2)the Asian population is dedicated to their country unlike all the STUPID Americans like YOU who buy foreign vehicles. If you want to drive a foreign car, why don't you move to that country and bring your wife (who is probably your sister too) and leave this country.

Comments by Joe : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 10:42 AM

I guess Dick Shelby would like to see those "damn yankee" auto makers go out of business. That's why he's in bed with the Germans and the Japanese. He would love to bust the unions and let everyone work for minimum wage. It's all part of his master plan. He just has to get all the slaves back to their plantations, and the south will rise again!!! YEEEEHAWW!!

Comments by frank : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM

To all of you uaw small three's, when the temp drops below freezing, don't head South to our beautiful beaches to thaw your moron asses out. First of all, I'm proud of Mr. Shelby and his stand and the job he is doing. Second, the tax dollars spent where state taxes (not federal) and they are being payed back and putting more taxes back into the system (State and Federal), we Alabamians support it and it has done wounders for or great state, I thank GOD that I live here. Third, I drive a Mercedes and LOVE it. ;)Oh by the way, when you find yourself in the job market, please don't head South, we already have a strong, reliable NONunion work force!

Comments by The SOUTH has risen again! : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 10:53 AM

I find it sad that in this bad economic time there is such bullshit talk by people who no nothing of the auto industry. Do you really believe someone gets $75.oo an hr for working on a line, what planet have you been living on? I do agree that poor management has caused our demise,but it is not a union or non union fault. The Governments and wall street ceos have run our countries into the ground now they argue as to who is most capable of managing your money at the cost of union workers, non union workers, and retierees. Its time to get a backbone and unite as north american workers, don't keep believing what the senators and ceo's are trying to shove up your ass. These gov't people and ceo's don't live on the same planet as us. I am a retired Chrysler Canada worker belonging to the best local ever. Stop the fighting and unite against the greedy gov't officials its maybe time we paid them for their perfomance not the lack of.

Comments by Tom : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 11:08 AM

yea dont come down hear too are wounderful stait yoo dam yankys wiill drive are forin cars made by superier southern werkers.

Comments by johnny reb : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Recession, what recession? I live in Alabama!

Comments by ROLL TIDE ROLL OVER THE uaw! : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I feel sorry for Alabama when the hurricanes wipe out the factorys, housesall people and the companys The state will be crying again please come down here and help us. How many times in the last decade have we had to send aid to your state. Maybe you should start asking the foriegn cars companys to bail you all out.

Comments by harvey g cooper : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM

I am sure none of you are business owners. If you are, you are fools. Keep your money? Soon you will feel the effects of the boycott. And, when you are sucking dry air, farting dust, and begging for an H2O bail-out to help the drought ridden south, remember this: there will be no pipeline of fresh water from north to south. This is war with irreversible effects. We will guard our water with our lives.

Comments by Go Blue : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 04:49 PM

Well first of all, have you ever heard of water purification? Yes you can purify even salt water, not to mention we have how many rivers? let's see (Coosa, Cahaba, Warrior, Cahaba,Alabama,Mississipii and Tenessee)KEEP YOUR D#MN WATER! Now you don't have sh#t that we would need nor want. And yes,I do own a business I'm a importer of coffee green, infact I'll bet the odds of you drinking a cup of coffee this morning is pretty d#mn good and I may have inmorted the coffee green, so tomorrow when you have your cup of coffee, think about the guy writing this from Alabama who is currently in lovely Cartagena, Colombia laughing his way to the bank.

Comments by sweet home alabama : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 06:47 PM

People wake up!It's your goverment thats killing this country!CAFTA,
NAFTA,and now SHAFTA up your @$$.

Comments by brandt : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 07:00 PM

Everyone listen, Ford Union people make 29.00 per hour, average of 58K per year. The non-union plants make on average of $3.00 less per hour. This was just on Channel 7 news here in Detroit last night. Now part the the reasons most of the import plants are in the south are becasue the cost of living is much less in Tn,Ky,Al etc. The UAW contract over the next 4 years tightens that wage gap, with undefined concessions. Also Ford, GM and Chrysler have more people collecting pensions that they have working. If you add the Legacy costs (penions, retiree benefits and health care for both workers and retirees)that number goes to around 69.00 per hour. But by no means does the UAW memeber get 69.00 per hour. No Toyota, Honda, etc.. don't have these Legacy costs. Today if you were hired you would not make 29.00 new teir waging was put in the contract of 2007. Also you need to consider when you buy a Honda for example, you pay the guy hanging that bumper, but the rest of the funding gets converted to YEN an sent across the pond. Suppliers are all Japanese. Need to think about what has happen in the past 10 years. 911, GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Harley sent vehicles and money to help. Where was Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc... Nafta! Clinton's admin put that in motion, Banking issues today, the mortgage crisis, that policies that brought this on started in the Clinton admin, and continues through the Bush admin. Now with the credit crunch has hit all the auto makers, even Toyota and Honda, cars and trucks are piling up in shipping ports. The difference is Toyota and Honda have had much more case flow for the past 5 years, due to the fact they have focused on small cars, the big 3 focused on supply and demand, SUV's and Pickups. The oil explosion caused people to run to smaller cars and the big 3 lacked in. It takes years to produce a new product. We are not talking about a new Barbie doll. So anyone that doe's not agree with the loan is on a very well educated person. Basic econ 101 will tell you it makes sense to do this. Your tax dollars will be paying my health care, unemployment, food stamps, and bailing out my mortgage when I can not do it myelf.

Comments by Andy B : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 09:09 PM

Would a real AMERICAN buy a car from a country that murdered 2403 Americans like Japan did. I think Sen. Bob Corker & Sen. Richard Shelby would. And what's this about Mr.Shelby's National Security Leaks.

Comments by D Bristow : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 09:33 PM

Instead of blaming Alabama and Richard Shelby, why not look at facts? Why has no one here mentioned the ridiculous CAFE standards that American automakers are bound to uphold?

The Big 3 (generally) make excellent trucks, big cars and SUVs. The Chevy Tahoe or a Chevy truck is tough to beat...but the small and mid-sized cars are lousy compared to the Japanese models with which they must compete.

But the Big 3 is forced to make the small, low-selling cars in order to comply with the overall gas mileage standard.

Get the government out of the auto business. Let Americans make what they make well and let the Japanese, Germans and whoever else do the same.

By the way, bankruptcy isn't the worst word in the English language. Companies can reorganize and strip themselves of some of the things that make them inefficient.

Last point: I was born and reared in Michigan and went to college in Alabama. All the embarrassing insults being hurled here against both states are disgraceful. Grow the heck up and look at things rationally.

Comments by Mitrivini : Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM

The big three were there when America needed them building plane and vehicles in World War Two.

They also donated tens of millions of dollars to the 911 fund. Other manufactures didn't. What does that tell you?

It was the big three that also donated vehicles, and spent a fortune with zero percent financing to stimulate the market after this tragic event.

This is a loan request that will prevent a full blown recession, Not a 700 billion dollar HANDOUT!

Why didn't congress ask for the banks business plans, and how much does it cost to fly Nancy Polosi around on a 737?

Comments by Brian : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 12:58 AM

OK enough about this bailout.All we heard during elction campaign was change achange and change.There will be no change.The US government will continue to give handaouts as well as tax breaks to the wealthy, while the real working people get shit on and our tax moeny wasted.I say if Big three gets the money handed to them, that we boycott the auto industry for 1 year.WE can afford to drive our cars for one more year and if we have to buy one, buy a used car.I currently own 5 gm products and one Ford,But if they get bailed out while I am struggling and get no help,I will be damned if I will spend 25,000 for a vehicle that is worth about 12,000 just so the lazy ass ,non productive employees enjoy the luxuries that we are having to scarifice.So stand with me Americans and wait ONE YEAR before purchasing a new car.Buy AFTERMARKET Parts.Used vehicles will require tires,repair parts,fuel,licenses, and maintenance which will all boost the Economy,PLEASE STAND TOGHETHER-When supply and demand are properly proportioned,the prices will be what they should.Look at what has happened with gasoline prices over last two months.YOU CAN SRVIVE WITHOUT PURCHASING A NEW CAR ONE MORE YEAR.HAVE YOUR CAR REPAIRED WITH AFTERMARKET PARTS,HAVE YOUR CAR PAINTED,BUY A NEW SET OF TIRES,REMODEL YOUR HOME,BUY A NEW POOL OR SPA,ADD AN ADDITION TO YOUR HOME,BUY A NEW WARDROBE,TAKE A WELL DESERVED VACATION,BUY THAT TOOL YOU HAVE BEEN WANTING BUT COULDN;T AFFORD BECAUSE YOUR BUDGET IS STRECTHED MAKING CAR PAYMENTS,BUY NEW MATRESSES AND FURNITURE,BUILD A PATIO AND FURNISH IT WITH NICE GRILLE AND PATIO FURNITURE,SPEND MONEY AND STIMULATE THE ECONOMY,JUST DONT BUY A NEW VEHICLE.Joe Babiasz stated this website called Boycott Alabam with the intent of "Sending a message".So let's stand together nationwide and reply to the message by NOT BUYING a new Car from any manufacturer for ONE YEAR.Let's call it "sending a message." The auto manufatures act like the economy is entirely based upon the auto industry.Lets show them that we can revive the economy by purchasing items other than vehicles and stimulate the economy.I as one individual owe two payments on my current vehicle, at which time I normall trade in.But I will stand up and say "I will not buy a new vehicle for at least one year if the government gives my tax dollars to the greedy Big THree while all of us are struggling.STAND WITH ME FELLOW AMERICANS FROM BOTH NORTH AND SOUT,EAST AND WEST AND SEND A MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE WILL NOT SUPPORT THE BAILOUT OF THESE POORLY MANAGED COMPANIES.DO NOT PURCHASE NEW VEHICLE FOR ONE YEAR.

Comments by sinclair : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 05:18 AM

A couple of points here: I am unaware of the definition of inmorted, and how can you be in two places at once (Bamalama and Columbia), and yes, the south was on the verge of a catastrophic drought. Tennessee rivers were going dry, Atlanta was within days of running out of water, the reservoirs that are used for electricity were also going dry. I'll bet the fine people of Gatlinburg, Gulf Shores, Myrtle Beach, Nashville, Hilton Head, Talladega, Atlanta, Cherokee, Lake Cumberland, Pigeon Forge, and all of the other tourist destinations would strongly disagree with you. You need our tourism dollars, and soon you will need our water. Also, I drink tea, not coffee.

Comments by Go Blue : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 08:58 AM

I'm just a gearhead from Atlanta who loves cars and babes and just thought I'd put it out there. Check it out hotimportnights.com

Comments by hotimportnights : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 02:42 PM

Hey go blue.....Welcome to the new generation of car lovers!
hotimportnights.com

Comments by hotimportnights : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 04:02 PM

Of course nasty Shelby voted no!!

Why wouldn’t this inbred vote against it when his state of Alabama rakes in a $1.61 in federal taxes for every $1.00 they send to Washington. Not to mention how many times have we had to rebuild the rich Gulf Shores coast line? Over and over we have rebuilt hurricane ravished Alabama! Stop rebuilding on right the damn coast you stupid hill billies or pay to fix it yourselves! The blue states have been funding the south for years! Time to turn off the feed trough! I already contacted my Senators demanding my tax dollars stop funding these half wit inbreeds from the south! No wonder they can give tax breaks to the transplant factories because states like Michigan are FUNDING THEM! DUH!

Here is a map showing how all the southern red states are feeding off the northern blue states! Red states might not like paying taxes but they have no problem using them up! You hill billies sure talk a big game! If you hate us some much why don't you pull your inbred rear ends away from the benefits trough????

Alabama = MOOCH!

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

Comments by GreatLakeBoy : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 05:01 PM

O.K., if you put it that way....keep it coming, I need a new Z in my driveway...keep those tax dollars headed south!

Comments by hotimportnights : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 05:14 PM

We tried that once..and then you guys started what teach our children about "The War of Northern Agression"!

We let you think that you won and took all of the workers up north.

Why don't you stay home and put on that SPF 60 and go lay on that Great Lake beach of yours, boy

Comments by buba : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 05:56 PM

Wir sind hier zu bleiben! Gewöhnen Sie sich Toit. ROLL TIDE!

Comments by Mercedes "MADE IN AMERICA" : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 06:07 PM

Mercedes "Built Mercedes Tuff"

Comments by Mercedes "MADE IN AMERICA" : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 06:44 PM

Mercedes "An American Revolution,"

Comments by Mercedes "MADE IN AMERICA" : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 06:48 PM

http://www.sybarites.org/2006/05/21/mercedes-mclaren-mini-slr-concept/

Comments by Mercedes "MADE IN AMERICA" : Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 07:07 PM

I'm a Michigan resident and work in the auto industry but feel the Boycott Alabama website is ridiculous. We're all Americans and need to work together to get out of this economic crisis. This ludicrous fighting is not going to help anyone. It's a shame that many people have written off domestic cars since our quality is now excellent and our value is great. We hope people from the great state of Alabama will realize this website is just from a few people who have misguided frustration. Let's work together!!!

Comments by B. Obama : Monday, December 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

I,m sorry I made a mistake with my last memo. I took someone word that a umw worker makes 70.oo an hr without checking the facts. I was wrong its around 29.oo+pension+health benefits which is not to bad... I was wrong, and I APOLOGIZE SIR......

Comments by clay : Tuesday, December 16, 2008 at 04:06 PM

Truth hurts doesn't it bubba! Time to roll off your mama~

www.fuckthesouth.com

Have a good read you Alabama moochers!

Comments by GreatLakeBoy : Wednesday, December 17, 2008 at 02:28 AM

I am boycottomg all southern made foreign Cars in the present and future. I will buy a foreign made car made in a foreign land before I buy from those southern SOB's.

Comments by J. Ham : Wednesday, December 17, 2008 at 09:09 AM

What can you boycott from Alabama besides moonshine and cousin weddings?

Comments by Rhett : Wednesday, December 17, 2008 at 03:54 PM

Greatlakes, must be unemployed, because he's on here so often, he should consider headed South, we have plenty of work here.

Comments by 1FastPorscheGoVols : Wednesday, December 17, 2008 at 06:02 PM

WELL, SICE WE ALL NOW HAVE A RIGHT TO TO SAY WHERE WE WANT OUR TAX MONEY TO GO...I DONT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS GOIN G FOR/TO IRAQ..NOR DO I WANT MY TAXES SPENT ON FEMA(SINCE THE SOOUTH GENEARLLY USES IT)IF THERE AREA IS FLOODED OH WELL, LET THEM SINK OR SWIM..AS FOR TENN....IF YOU GET DROUGHT I SUGGEST U CONTACT RUSSIA, SIUNCE THEY HAVE THE LARGEST LAKE IN THE WORLD..BECAUSE I DO NOT ANY OF MY WATER USED IN THE SOUTH!!!!

Comments by John Smulka : Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM

LMAO!~ Rhett Stupid hill billies!

Sorry to disappoint 1FastAss but you fail!

Comments by GreatLakeBoy : Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 03:21 PM

A wise man recently sent me an email and said that American CEOs made an absurd amount of money in comparison to their average worker. He also said that if a company was too big to fail, then it was also too big to exist. That man was Michael Moore-- a Flint, Michigan native. Stupid inbred hillbilly.

Comments by Jen : Sunday, December 21, 2008 at 03:33 PM

I believe Michigan has had a poor local economy for some time now. It isn't the State of Alabama that caused the problems. It was GM closing down plants and moving them to Mexico so they could afford the outrageous returns expected by Wall Street Execs that are still swindeling money. And Ford and Chrysler using foreign parts in the cars to again try to satisfy the true evil axis-Wall Street. I live in Al and own a Suburban, Explorer and a GM truck. I supported these companies even though they didn't support us. WWI and II is in the past. The same people aren't running those companies anymore. It is a new generation of greedy (including Shelby) SOB's that have traded the United States for their own wealth.

The fact is, all our jobs are being outsourced to third world countries. We need to demand that 401K mutual funds be created that invest in only companies that are US owned or, more importantly, 75% of the people they employee are based in the United States. Stop buying products from companies that outsource jobs and stop buying their stocks. Simple.

Comments by hoopla : Monday, December 22, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Merry Christmas GL Boy!

You should see all the cars with northern plates down here. I guess they haven't gotten the word on the boycott yet.

I think you guys are invaiding again!

Comments by buba : Friday, December 26, 2008 at 03:32 PM

Do you really think people are going to give up their property in hill billy land? I think not!

But hopefully more people will learn not to go redneck city from now on.

Hopefully more blue states will start demanding their federal tax dollars back from states like Alabama! No wonder AL can give big tax breaks to the transplants when they receive a $1.66 for every federal dollar paid in! Time to stop funding failure right? Red states don't like taxes less they're sucking 'em up!

Figures you use buba as a ID!

Comments by Great Lake Boy : Friday, December 26, 2008 at 04:44 PM

Well I guess that Congress FINALLY figured out that it is not just the Detroit big three that are in trouble anymore. Even the do no wrong, Toyota is losing their $$$ too, nobody is selling any cars or trucks. The banks better start using the money they got and get loans going again or this whole country is going to fall like a house of cards.....BUY AMERICAN!

Comments by Mad as Hell : Monday, December 29, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Well, I guess that I can see things from both sides, because I live in Santa Fe, N.M. I'm a retired airforce vet. and believe in country first and my wife and I have always bought American, we recently purchased a new Mercedes (MADE IN THE USA) and love it, what I do have a problem with is buying made in America by unions who are unwilling to be patriotic to our nations needs, so enough already guys, this is corporate America, it seems everyone is just out to make a profit at the cost of the American tax payer....enough said, do as I do, be patriotic and buy American made, even if it is Mercedes, Toyota,etc... just DO NOT BUY UNION made in America!

Comments by Pete M. : Sunday, January 04, 2009 at 07:27 AM

Figures that you are using Boy!

That property is park land that we purchased with those $1.66 Blue tax dollars. A good place to park your campers that you pull down behind your rust buckets.

Beware the Banjo music!!!

I swear those Union Troops are invading again.

Comments by buba : Monday, January 05, 2009 at 10:33 PM

This Alabama Southern Belle wants to tell all the angry Michigan people (and any other yankee who has utter a rude word about Southerners). PLEASE, PLEASE keep yourself out of Alabama and ALL of the SOUTH! WE don't want you here! Stay in your overcast, freezing, unfriendly wasteland...bless your hearts.

Comments by Beverly : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 at 10:25 PM

This is quite simple. GM, Ford & Chrysler cars are terrible (not SUVs and Trucks). They are ugly, and uncomfortable overall. That is the issue. Nobody I know owns a Big 3 car. My friends would love to buy one, but think the quality and value is poor. It is no different that when any other company goes bankrupt due to lagging sales and high costs. Companies have to change, not ask for a bailout. It seems like Joe needs to get a clue and realize that if the BIG 3 had addressed the real issues years ago, they would not have to ask for a bailout. There is a BIG difference between people from Alabama and Michigan. Generally, people from Alabama believe in personal responsibility and are independent workers (ie non-union and republican). They believe in taking care of themselves (however they decide is acceptable). Michigan people (democrats) want the government and unions to take care of them...that is not the way our founders intended our country to run.

Comments by Jennifer : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 at 10:50 PM

What is foreign about cars made in Alabama and what is domestic about cars made with parts and components built offshore? It's not about foreign cars, it's about union labor.

Comments by Howard : Friday, January 09, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Jennifer
You are wise beyond your years!!!

Howard
You are correct !!!!!!!!

Comments by general nathan forest : Friday, January 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM

This whole boycott Alabama thing is a tempest in a teapot. Does Joe not know there is no such thing as an American car anymore, only cars built by companies that were once American.

I drive a Chrysler 300. It was built in Canada. I considered a Chrysler Sebring. It was built in Mexico. The Cadillac Catera was built in Germany. The Ford Ranger is a rebadged Mazda.

Ford and GM have hugely successful operations in Brazil. Is that where they plan to send the bail out money?

Comments by Sam W. Keenon : Sunday, February 22, 2009 at 08:18 PM

hey Joe

I have a monkey that looks better than your yankee wife !!!!!

Comments by clay : Saturday, March 07, 2009 at 04:02 PM

Like they say in Alabama GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF ASIA

Comments by Dave : Sunday, March 08, 2009 at 04:56 PM

I am looking out the window of my office. I can see the old corporate office of Vanity Fair. Vanity Fairy made high quality underwear for women.Vanity Fair owned Wrangler jeans, Lee jeans, and Health Tex cildren's clothes.
Everyone is gone but around 100 employees. They, too, will be gone by September 2009. Other textiles
across the state have followed them into foreign countries costings us 100's of thousands of jobs. Every year more jobs left us. We were suffering. No one seemed to care. The word was "Americans don't want to work in factories". No one asked us what we wanted. We have been told that this is our new world trade and we better get used to it. Lumber mills, paper Mills and plywood mills are now closing and laying off more people. Honda, Hyundai and Mercedes have created
for us about 4500 jobs. This is a joke for us.We never knew what was hitting us until we were flat on our back. Now, us country boys cannot afford to buy a new Chevy 4x4. Most of us drive trucks down here, even the women. Most of them are Chevys, GMCs, and Fords.( Toyotas and Nissans are cute but they ain't real trucks) I don't want any of my fellow Americans to lose his job even he is a damn yankee. Senator Shelby voted against nafta and cafta. Maybe he saw the whole distruction of the whole working class coming. Maybe he is just a sour old fart that votes against everything. Take a look at the big picture. Do you feel as helpless as I do here in Alabam about what our Government is doing?

Comments by allen : Friday, May 22, 2009 at 03:33 PM

Screw the big union's. I have been a hardcore (buy American auto's person) all my life. I have only purchased GM cars or trucks, mainly Chevys. I have had a Ford and a few mopars. No longer. If I do purchase a new car, it will probably be a German or a Japanese car made in a SOUTHERN NON-UNION plant. I would not buy a Korean car. My reason is not based on bad quality, but on political reasons. The only reason GM is getting a bailout is to save Obama's union friends who support all these liberals. Your unions support the very idiots that want to stop oil & gas production as well as coal. You may not support this but you don't seem to care as long as you get yours. It seems to me your unions would want to support people who support oil and gas prodution? Well guess what! The folks that you help put in congress and the presidency hurt us, and we should help you with bailouts? (everyone's tax money) and buying the cars you build? Really chaps my -ss! Screw you. It seems that when times were good with the autoworker's (up North) they took for granted all the support they recieved from Southern buyer's. Believe me, here in Texas, Chevy and Ford trucks are (were) a way of life. I would venture to say that the midwest and Southern states have (had) purchased more domestic pickups per capita than any other area of the Country. Supporting Northern jobs and UNION members only to recieve ridicule for being conservative and living in the Southern U.S. and then dare to allow a foreign company to bring (good paying) non-union jobs to the area. Not all, but a lot of you seem to hold a superior, holier-than-thou attitude toward "Southern hicks". Deserved or not, I am afraid that the Thugish unions have given you a bad name.

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Comments by david baer : Saturday, December 26, 2009 at 02:08 AM

The big three has been supporting the south for over the past 50 years. when you consider welfare, SSI, food stamps, medicaid, free heat, and other free programs including not paying any taxes because of low wages. The south has alway's came to Washington for a free handout and 9 times out of ten they get it. Now the south wants to worship the dragon for a free handout. China Japan and Korea own the south.

Comments by morgan : Saturday, January 09, 2010 at 10:08 AM

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